There's No Such Thing as Incurable Illnesses, Just Incurable People — Divorce Healing Explained, Andrew Scheim || DPTSP ##165

[00:00:01] Today's guest brings over 30 years of holistic healing wisdom to our conversation. Andrew Scheim, it's Scheim, right? Very good. Man, I guessed on that. Andrew Scheim is a certified natural therapeutic specialist, advanced body worker, and long-time holistic educator in the field of nutrition.

[00:00:19] He's an innovator behind rapid release therapy and advanced technology for accelerating connective tissue release, and the owner of Andy's Natural Formulas, which he creates cutting-edge nutritional formulations. Andrew has worked with clients facing everything from trauma recovery and chronic pain to digestive disorders and emotional struggles.

[00:00:43] But what makes him especially powerful to hear is from this. He overcame his own long-term health problems firsthand. He knows the frustration of the healing journey because he's lived it. One of his favorite quotes says it all. There's no such thing as incurable illnesses, just incurable people. Oh, he's also a professional blues and jazz musician. I want to get into that too.

[00:01:10] Today, we're exploring how the body holds onto divorce trauma and how to release it. Please welcome Andy to the show. All right, Andy. Thank you. Tell us about yourself, and we'll go from there. Nothing but the blues, right? That sums it all. We're done. That's the truth. I always say the blues is the Omande Padme Hum of America's consciousness.

[00:01:38] I truly, people talk about chanting and spiritual work. Man, the blues is deep. It got me to where I got. It was built into me. I was playing it when I was very young. I had it when I was young, but I didn't. The music was what got me, I think, halfway through it. Then I started to realize how destructive the music scene was, plus the money was going down. I saw the exit door, and I said, I look for another way to channel.

[00:02:07] And I was always into the healing work. I had a pretty sensitive constitution. I wasn't Mick Jagger, that's for sure. I don't know how that man's alive. But anyhow, I had deep interest in spirituality all along the way. Even playing the sax, I realized people would say, oh, he wants to go so slow. I love the old ballads. I loved Coltrane and the ballads.

[00:02:31] Then when I learned body work, I realized that instinct for slow, which the jazz musicians, part of the reason they did heroin was to slow things down. I know that sounds weird, but in body work, the groove is 10 seconds out and 10 seconds in. I didn't know I was looking for that until I learned what it was. Now, that seems almost unachievable. This is what the yogis do. They breathe three cycles a minute.

[00:02:59] I had a very active mind, so believe me, I had plenty of challenge. How do you slow everything down, get into rhythm? The rhythm of the groove of meditation is theta. It's seven or eight hertz. What the monks go for, it's actually a brainwave rhythm. So I started realizing that all this trauma, all this stress, you really can look at it musically.

[00:03:27] So if you're having a fight with your wife or whatever, just listen to her as a musical instrument. And if people could learn to tune into the energy, which is one thing I did learn in body work, you can bypass the words and get to the energy itself. You get somebody on a table, you get down into their energy body, they'll start to really unwind and let go and surrender. Now, as soon as they get off the table, they might go back into their ego.

[00:03:54] But the body does have an amazingly, everybody wants to go to peace. So how do you get there? That's a big question. Believe me, I've had to work at that. Wow. So for the man over 40 going through the divorce at the beginning, he says, I'm fine. What is the body saying that his words aren't? If you're a musician and somebody's out of tune and they say, I'm in tune, it's obvious in a band, right? How do you do that?

[00:04:23] How do you get your lie detector with your body? And this is a hard one to teach. I could give some suggestions. There's a device by HeartMath called the Heart Coherence Monitor. So hook yourself up to that and see if you're in heart coherence. It'll actually tell you if you're really in a deeper state of heart meditation. Do buy some breathing.

[00:04:48] Now, first you have to know you're dysregulated because if you're so used to it, you're just trying to outgun your own dysregulation. So you could buy that device. There are devices that actually help go inner and retune your nervous system. I would say to anybody who's got a lot of built up anger, frustration, one of the things I recommend is just getting a little mini trampoline and bouncing on it. It's very releasing on the nervous system.

[00:05:17] Do somatic, some type of somatic movement. To this day, every morning, I have somatic meditation. Wow. Because this is the one thing I learned, too, in body work. There are so many memories we're all carrying that are so buried. When you're divorced, you broke up with someone's programming, basically. You might have loved them and you might have sensed the presence and their being. And then all of a sudden the programming kicks back in. And that's the same for you.

[00:05:44] So how do we go inner and bring up this part? It's not pleasant, but if the memories are there, how do you deal with them? How do you self-respond? That's a lot of what I teach. So the best way, if you had a child that was in stress, you'd rock that child. You'd hug that child. Some men might tell that kid, don't cry, be a man. But that's not healthy for, in my book, processing emotions is healthy.

[00:06:10] So how do you learn now to be your own mother, your own father, process your emotions? Because you were expecting that other person maybe to be, ideally you were wishing that maybe they would fill the gap. And they didn't. Gotcha. So you overcame your own long-term health problems. What did that journey teach you about pain that most people misunderstand? You have to embrace it. You have to observe it.

[00:06:39] And you have to look at it. In my case, this is very complex to this day. It's still a mystery. I just have my, Hopopono says, develop a relationship with the inner child, which is really the part of me that's playing all those memories. Now, some people would say, like in Hinduism and Buddhism, just sit there and watch the memories. Watch the mind. Don't interact with it. Then there's people like Abhor Mate, the person who wrote the book, The Body Keeps Score,

[00:07:10] who said somatic psychology, Peter Levine, who would say develop, self-respond. If a child inside of you never got processed, never got to express, never got to feel, it would make sense that it's okay to do that. But if you want to be a Buddhist and Hindu and just sit there and go into, I call it spiritual dissociation, I'd say 99% of people who are into this methodology of pure awareness are really trying to get away from,

[00:07:40] it's a sort of an escapism. Now, I'm not saying that there are some unique souls that have transcended. And yes, pure observation and being in that space of pure awareness is a beautiful thing if you can pull it off. But what are you going to do with what's in the basement? If you have 50 dead bodies in the basement, can you just be in pure awareness? Probably not. Speaking of that, how does the body physically store the trauma of a divorce? Where does it actually live in us?

[00:08:10] The Chinese system is very simple. All the memories and emotions are expressing through the 12 meridians. So if it's anger, it's in your liver meridian. If it's grief, it's in your lung colon. Now, for instance, generationally, I come from a Jewish background and my whole family had a lot of colon problems. Was grief and sorrow part of the Jewish experience? Obviously.

[00:08:33] So the fact that genetically it actually expresses a lot of colon issues, Chinese medicine explains it perfectly. Now, let me just explain. If your gut goes like this, that's simple. If somebody takes a fist and grabs you, you feel it. We do this internally. But what's these little grips and grabs are micro memories. Now, this sounds nuts.

[00:09:00] But if you've gone through generation and generation of suffering, you have a lot of stored memory in you. So you're doing all this. It's all this stuff is running in you. So how do you literally meet if it's in the colon lung? It's grief, asthma, colitis, Crohn's disease, IBD. If it's in the pancreatic cancer, spleen, stomach, pancreas is over overthinking anger. Of course, that's the acceptable motion for men. Liver meridian.

[00:09:30] But if you learn to explore the body deeply, you're giving these micro memories a chance to actually finally see the light of day. Now, it's a stream of memory. It's very chaotic. This is the problem. How do you embrace your own inner chaos? Now, one of the things I will suggest for any male particularly, get a good quality vibration machine. Stand on there and tremble your body.

[00:09:59] This is what animals do when they're traumatized. When they've been in freeze trauma, they tremble the nervous system. They do a profound trembling shaking to come out of a freeze state. So if you have a lot of pent up stuff, you can't figure out where it's coming from. It's coming from all over the place. If you stand on a vibration plate and tremble your body, it's just a natural nervous system release. You do need a relatively big guy, so you can't get no wimpy plate.

[00:10:29] You've got to get a decent plate. I have a $2,000 machine. You don't have to necessarily spend that much, but don't buy a cheap machine at Amazon. So another thing I use, and there's so much memory stored in the spine itself. So I have this very intense magnetic field system where I can actually sweep my body. This is how I heal my body from injury. Go up and down that spine.

[00:10:57] Feel wherever this is. Work on it. And see what comes up. Watch it. Now, this is where the pure observation comes in. Because it's bizarre. You have all these memories in you, and you're the observer watching the memories. Now, you want to feel like you're in control? Go right ahead. This is a surrender. This is an opportunity for surrender.

[00:11:22] What's the connection between emotional pain and physical pain that men going through divorce need to understand? What's the connection? What's the difference? Emotional. In my work, this is the thing. I think I must be doing good work because my body is so much better. But it's not fun facing those emotions, especially when they're primitive. So what's the difference?

[00:11:51] difference, if you don't process the emotions in a meaningful way, and now this is huge. You can go to a therapist and try to lay a filter upon yourself, or you can go into the raw data itself. Now, if you go into the raw data, it can itself correct, so to speak. That's my belief. If you know how to get in there, wake it up. It's like pulling a root out of the ground, a weed out of the ground. Some weeds will come up. Some weeds will stay in.

[00:12:19] But it's better to get half the weeds out and then go back another day. Some weeds are more stubborn. That's the ego holding on. So letting go, how to let go. I'm not a master at that. I work at it incrementally. But I will say there are certain signs that say, at 72, all my physical aches and pains are just way better. I hardly have any. And I was half crippled when I was younger.

[00:12:46] I know I'm doing good work, but I didn't do this work for like the first 40 years of my life. So I'm playing catch up. So at some point, if you can get in there and really meet yourself, that's great. But it's not going to be pleasant. Especially if you're raised. If you were raised with a lot of love and a lot of processing every time you felt something, your father sat you down and talked to you. How many people were raised like that?

[00:13:31] Why do you think so many men in their 40s and 50s and beyond ignore their bodies until something breaks? They're taught to do that. 100 gallery. Wow. No, don't. You got to be, you got to posture what it means to be a man. Now, if you're intelligent, the, how do I put this? The ego is very pernicious.

[00:13:59] So what happens if you go out and there are homeless people on the street, I see them all the time, who are walking around talking to themselves. Obviously, they lost that boundary or pretense. So, yeah, if you get crazy enough, you'll break. You'll start walking. Inside, you're playing all these loops and tapes. Outside, you're posturing. Why? Why do you posture on the outer and then when you get alone, it's a different story?

[00:14:26] Now, if you do the inner work when you're alone and meet that chaos and confusion, then you'll be more authentic on the outer. I see. So you say there's no such thing as incurable illnesses, just incurable people. What does that mean for a man who feels his life is beyond repair? That statement, that's funny. You pull that from an old bio. That's good. Incurable.

[00:14:54] That just goes to the fact that we're not learning. This is very much more dynamic for me because it took me years and years to figure out my gut issues. I'm 72 again, and my gut's in way better shape than it used to be. Now, I don't have quite the energy when I was younger, but there are some key things in healing.

[00:15:20] If you can't get to an issue, the issue is still there. So you have to learn about certain basics. For instance, for men, I would advise all men to get their hormones checked. Hormones affect mood and emotion. Thyroid is huge. As we get older, our hormones can go down. If the thyroid goes down, it can give you depression, low energy, weight gain.

[00:15:49] So there's some very common sense biological things we need to do. For me, it was colon. I had a study that the colon gut immunity is 70% of your immune system. If the gut gets toxic, let's just say in simplicity, you can end up with all kinds of diseases. You get leaky gut. You get a lot of autoimmune diseases. In other words, the body's constantly reacting to toxins. It starts misfiring.

[00:16:16] So people don't even learn about the ABCs, let's say, of what a healthy colon is, which is a huge part of health. Again, in Chinese medicine, colon is grief. If your liver is overwhelmed just from toxicity, that's anger. So there's a physical side to this also that's very important. I'm sorry. What happens to a man's health, hormones, sleep, digestion, when he's carrying years of marital stress?

[00:16:46] There's a lot of people who aren't sleeping very well due to all kinds of stress. So remember, when you marry someone, you're marrying their history, their biology. You're not, you think you're married. They're presenting like, oh, you're the answer, and you think they're the answer, and there might be sexual energy at the beginning. But the programming is going to come real quick.

[00:17:15] Now, it would be good if you could sense that at the beginning, but what a person presents, why people are going for the ideal of the image, I have no idea. There was one teacher once said, the ideal is no deal. I thought that was a cute little slogan. And he also said intimacy, into me I see. Intimacy. He was a psychologist.

[00:17:46] He also went to Russia, by the way, and got in Putin's face, and they tried to kill his ass. So you talked about this before, and just want to reiterate it. How did your background as a blues and jazz musician shape the way you work with energy and the body? When I, when you play music, you're really trying to go deep. Blues is about less notes, deep sound. I was a sax player.

[00:18:14] I just love the austerity of the music. The blues is the blues. You're either deep into it or you're not. You can't explain it. And body works the same way. You're going in deep. How do you, I can't explain, I could show somebody like how I see a body. That doesn't mean they're going to see, be going for those quote unquote deeper memories. So when I was doing body work, the type of memories that came out of people were extraordinary.

[00:18:43] Now this is the part that I just, relationships are being run by subconscious mind always. And very few people can go that deep. The subconscious mind is almost unfathomable. The type of traumas we experience come from God knows when and God knows where. Even to say what the self is kind of a mystery. We have this identity.

[00:19:09] We get comfortable with, I always was kind of, my mind was kind of always quizzical about reality, to be honest. When you play music, you open up to sound, which is not thoughts. And unless you're playing the same constructs in your head, you're trying to open up your mind and let it expand out and just listen. And that's body work.

[00:19:32] If you can really listen, things are going to show up, especially with clients, things that are like in there holding on, they're going to want to let go. So again, I would encourage every man out there to learn some somatic practices. We can teach you some basic, you can become your own sort of spiritual body worker, so to speak. It's not that hard. But you've got to get on the table, do some basic safety.

[00:20:00] There's a thing called the chi machine I can teach you to use that rocks the body. And then you start treating your body and you will start feeling some deep stuff. Now, it will be uncomfortable. What is rapid release therapy and how can it help men who are physically wound tight from stress and trauma? Rapid release was a tool that I used. I developed some protocols for it. I didn't invent it.

[00:20:29] It's a fascia tool. So let me just, I have a little, I don't think I can share the chart here, but let me just give you a loose idea. Whatever's playing in the mind, how does it actually, why is the body suffering? So once you learn body work, you realize that these micro memories, these deep memories are deep in the body. So how do they get in? So the acupuncture points are like memory portals, subconscious portals.

[00:20:59] So when you're working on, let's say, a side of a leg and it's real tight, and then you hit those key acupuncture points, which are gallbladder points, all of a sudden they're like screws in leather. Imagine a screw going, sorry. Imagine a screw going through leather and it's spinning. The leather is going to crimp, and then that's the connective tissue, and it's going to end up in the bone, glued to the bone. So people have all this glued fascia.

[00:21:25] So when I was working on people, part of the job was to unglue and unwind that fascia. It was all crimped up. And that creates a lot of physical problems because if the fascia constricts, the joints get pulled, and now your joints go out. So it's called connective tissue. It literally goes from top to bottom all the way. It's like the informational highway of the subconscious mind.

[00:21:53] But people who are deep into body work understand this, what fascia is more spiritually. But to me, the acupuncture point was always imperative. You had to unwind that, get that screw to loosen up, and then work on the fascia. Now, this sounds real crazy, but think of a screw gun going through leather, and the leather ends up in wood, and the leather is all crimped up. Now, the question is, what's driving that whole engine? That's the mind.

[00:22:23] Now, again, I can't speak to why memories are there, but why is it causing such stress and trauma in the body? So the only thing I can say is if you do this work, you're going to get back into deep, into subconscious memories, and you're going to be able to work at, you're backtracking to the subconscious mind. Some people will call this shadow work, by the way. I don't know if you've ever heard of shadow work by Carl Jung. I have, yep.

[00:22:53] So for me, my dream world, I'll get up in the morning and do this work, because coming out of the dream world, it's like that's more like the raw stuff. That's you uncensored, so to speak. So you, in a sense, it's like a chaos kind of the subconscious mind is chaotic, but why not meet it, work with it? It's also very creative. Some of the greatest artists are as crazy as you know what.

[00:23:23] Yep, definitely. Wow. So it's almost like transmuting. There's a fine line between insanity and enlightenment, so to speak. Okay. Interesting. So for a man who's never done any body work, what would his first session reveal about what he's been carrying? Depends on the man. Somebody was, first of all, if I treat anybody, first thing is safety.

[00:23:52] The body will tell you where it's at, always. You have to introduce yourself to the body, and basically it's like a child. There was a famous Buddhist monk, Thich Nhat, I forget his last name, Vietnamese monk. And he has this thing called a five-year-old meditation. So he's trying to teach you to talk to a five-year-old within you. Then he says, imagine your parents' five-year-old and their parents' five-year-old. It's a beautiful teaching because it's the truth.

[00:24:22] So can you meet your inner child? When I work with somebody, you're first of all saying, I may be here for the first time. No one's ever been here for you. I had one client who said he could never let go, never let go. Finally, he let go. Two hours later after the treatment, he got himself in a bizarre accident and hurt his body because it's programming. And this is true for all of us. If you never were safe, how are you ever going to become safe?

[00:24:51] If your set point is constant turmoil, it's work. Work. So you're actually maybe for the first time in your life, giving yourself the peace that you never ever have had. Now to do that, you have to work. As the poet Rumi said, it's not for you to seek love, but remove the barriers that stand in the way. So all you can do is start talking to that part of the body that's saying, no, I won't let go.

[00:25:20] And start a conversation with that part and present, be present with that part of you. So let's talk about nutrition. What role does nutrition play recovering from the emotional devastation of divorce? And can food actually affect heartbreak? Again, I have to go back to the Chinese medicine,

[00:25:50] and particularly the gut, and then also hormones. Because if you're older and a male, please check your hormones. That's going to affect your emotions. If your colon is toxic, it's going to definitely increase depression. If your liver is toxic, your anger, frustration is going to go up. So in that sense, just Google Chinese medicine, meridians associated emotions. Now also Google naturopathy.

[00:26:19] All disease begins with a toxic colon. You can call me and I can give you more advanced, let's just say better protocols than I learned. Because I had to modify some of this stuff to succeed. But the foundation is Chinese medicine. Please Google emotions, meridians. For instance, right in here, this is heart one lung one. Right down here, the outside of the arms.

[00:26:47] If you start treating these, a lot of intense stuff comes up. The solar plexus. Profound energy. If you start working at the solar plexus, there's a lot of, almost like the fight for survival is anchored in the solar plexus region. China, if you're a male, you're close to martial arts, take it to the peace side. In fact, I just had a very high level martial artist call me the other day. I met him.

[00:27:16] He was a sparring partner of famous martial artist, John Jones. Very nice guy. And he was very interested. He was young. He was interested in this work. He called me. He's in trouble. I wish he was here. Everyone's right now being challenged by a lot of trauma and stress. I think with this new election cycle, hopefully people are going to feel a little more peace because America was in trouble. But we all are feeling each other's stuff.

[00:27:43] So, you know, I can only say there are ways to do inner practice. Is it perfect? No. But how many, how often does anyone go inner and have any way of meeting that chaos within? And that's what I'm advocating, a functional way to deal with, it's like Jungian shadow work with body work mixed in. So as far as diet and nutrition goes, obviously food is comforting. You could drink plenty of water, obviously.

[00:28:13] Look at nutritional deficiencies. It's important. I can work with anybody as far as power foods, superfoods, detoxification, heavy metals, chemicals. Auto-intoxication means the colon gets very stagnant and you start to poison yourself. It's like you turn into a swamp. I have a saying, what's the difference between a swamp and a mountain stream? They're both water. That's true.

[00:28:41] And humans pretty often are very swampy. So nothing good happens in a swamp. What are some of the foundational strategies in your home programs that anyone could listen to, anyone listening now could start today? Something simple. Rebounding. Jump up and down like a child on jumps on a mattress, but make sure it's a bungee cord rebounder because the springs will hurt you. Ouch. The spring, the cheap springs.

[00:29:10] There's a couple of good spring rebounders. I own two of them. I own three rebounders, one bungee cord, two springs. If I had, I travel, I bring stuff with me. If I had to pick, when I did go away for three days, I still brought my carry-on rebounder with me. You get on that for two, three minutes, the cells are squeezing and releasing. I call it like an agitator and washing machine. So that movement and the cellular pump, that's chi. Move the chi.

[00:29:40] So the problem is also when we get older, the cells start to slow down. They get toxic. So a lot of my focus in my more advanced therapies is more microcellular. But a rebounder is a cell pump, and it moves energy. And then you can take some tennis balls and squeeze them while you're bouncing, and that's a very simple, always move. At the end of the day, move. If you can run, and if you're young and divorced, go out for a 10-mile run.

[00:30:10] Go swimming. If rebounding actually pumps the cells, it's one of the best starting points. You can get one on Amazon for about $140. A B-con. Wow. Now, next thing, get a vibration plate and tremble your body and let all that raw data come up and out through your nervous system. There's a gentleman named David Bricelli. Google this. Trauma release exercises, David Bricelli. Now, I'm not going to say

[00:30:40] I prefer a vibration plate over to what he's teaching, but he's working with PTSD war vets. He teaches them to tremble their body, spaz their body naturally, basically. It's easy to do. The problem is memories are much more deeper. They're not just in the body memory. So when you tremble on a vibration plate, it's like an organic dump. It's like you're searching and all those deep memories in the body and saying, let go.

[00:31:08] It's a reminder to let go. So rebounding, vibration plate. The third thing is called the chi machine. It rocks your body like a baby. You put your feet on it, it rocks your spine. Very hypnotic. Very unwinding. People that I work with who are chronically ill, even with cancer, love the chi machine. It's like it gives them peace. Everybody wants peace. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. You've worked with emotional

[00:31:37] and mental issues through the body. What does the body keeps the score mean from your hands-on perspective? This is like the blues. If you, each person, when you touch them, their body's going to tell you where to go. And you don't even know what's going on. You just follow the energy. So if you're playing an instrument, you're listening, you don't know what, you just know to go to another note or there's certain notes that are the blues scale and the body has its blues scale,

[00:32:07] so to speak. So you get to learn the sort of the trauma innovations, but there's no one map. So listen, body will tell you where to go and it's going to start. Sometimes it's a miracle. Sometimes you will give so much permission to let go to somebody that they heal from a disease. It's beautiful. To this day, I wish I had that. I've seen it happen and I'm not quite personally at that level. I'm somewhere. Probably it's good because I have to keep doing the work

[00:32:36] to understand the work. If I just got free all of a sudden like that, I wouldn't be even talking here. No kidding. Wow. So I understand what it's like to be in the trenches and in that sense, I'm kind of like a Buddhist. It's kind of like maybe I put myself in the trenches. I don't know. But the Buddhists have a saying, you know, if you get enlightened, come back and dive into the hell realms. The hell realms are for real. And there's a way

[00:33:05] to walk in the hell realms that is, I think everybody should learn how to face their dark side basically is what I'm saying. By the way, it's not your dark side. Yeah. It's your mother's dark side, your father's dark side, their mother's. Whose dark side is it? It's like Luke, I'm your father. Or maybe, Luke, I'm your father. Yeah. One of the two. Yeah, you're right. What are the,

[00:33:34] what's the difference between treating symptoms and actually reprogramming the body back to a vital state? This is really, this is back to the shadow work. The more you, deeper the shadow work, the body, this is stripping away all the bullshit to get the vitalities of what's left. If we didn't have all these restrictions, we'd be in, when we die, we're in a sense in the ultimate vital state back to source.

[00:34:04] So, keep reminding yourself of that source within you. That's very important because they, I have that semi-Hindu leaning that yes, the mind is fictionalizing, sorry about that. It's all right. The mind is fictionalizing what's making up all these stories. In that sense, I don't know, are you familiar with Edgar Tolle? No, not really. He's a kind of a popular spiritual teacher and he talks a lot about the mind, your nature sinful,

[00:34:35] the Buddhists with the attachment, the desire. You're trying to work with this program nature. So, there's all these different spiritual teachings around it. The body work is a spontaneous way to just, let's say, bring up the programming at its root system level and allow it the best it can to work itself out. It's organic, it's natural, you're not judging anything, you're just seeing what's there and having some type of

[00:35:04] blues interaction, so to speak. Gotcha. Rather than bury it, suppressing it usually creates problems. Just to go into, now, if you just go pure emotional, it can help, but then it comes back. Body work is more like the sort of micro-nuance memories that are obscure. The Buddhists do have a term called obscurations. So, let's just say there is a way

[00:35:33] to root out the obscure self and that's why shadow work is a good example. If I were to say, how do you understand this? Look at Jung's shadow work. But, how do you do the work? How do you even, so there's a creative chaos in the work that I learned, let's put it that way. You enter the, you enter the chaos, but you enter it with a sort of oversight, which is the blues. The best to understand it, if you understand

[00:36:03] how to do body work in a deep way and pay attention, you're bringing a sort of divine attention to this chaotic subconscious mind. Remember, the programming has gone on for generations and generations. Why? Why does it have so much power and control? That is very interesting. Wow. That's a long time. Right, and we're all trying, okay, the other thing is I learned in body work because we're all trying to get,

[00:36:33] I said, get our power back, but is that beating someone else, someone comes at you, you beat them over the head, does that give you power? Temporarily, it saves your life, but since you have all these socialization trauma memories that really are the root of it, you're trying to listen to that part of you that had to adjust and adapt in a way that it didn't want to. Gotcha. So that's, that's why people love to be musicians, to be honest. It's like a free space

[00:37:02] to express your mind. The problem is the instrument's out there and there's also a lot of other problems about ego and everybody's trying to impress you with their licks and chops and all that, but if you're really in a good band, you're listening to one another, which is rare to find. Even people who are half crazy, all of a sudden they're listening to each other. That's rare to find in life. Man. So a guy out there just starting divorce and you've got one thing to say to him, what was the most,

[00:37:32] what's one of the most important things you can tell him as he's going through this, this chaos? I mean, I'd probably say that any grief event like that is going to open up this inner child old wounds. And so here's an opportunity to learn to get better at self-love and self-communion. And of course, take care of yourself, get support, that's just a given.

[00:38:02] Be kind to yourself. But part of that kindness is to know thyself. And if stuff is trying to come up, learn to work with it and how to process it. And where can my man find you on the internet? So if you take my name and take out the P dot com, andrewsheim dot com, we have a calendar. You could give me a set up a one hour. We have, I like to work with people and spend time

[00:38:32] to get to know them first. A lot of the people I work with actually have health issues. So most of my consults are around disease and health. But if you're, I love teaching, we can set up a session and go through some kind of foundation for doing this somatic work. I'm not a counselor, so I'm not a talk therapist. But my thing is, if you're getting up at three in the morning and your nervous system is killing you, I can give you

[00:39:01] all kinds of tools to work with the nervous system or to work with yourself. I do encourage you to obviously find support groups, find therapists. But I will say in all these years, that ability to go deep within is probably the most, even though it's the most painful at one level, it's also the most comforting and stabilizing thing I've learned in my life. Wow. So, there's a lot

[00:39:30] of stuff in you that you just can't, there's a lot of traumas in us and I can show you, it's always important to be safe when you do this work, but I could show you different ways to invite the trauma to come up and transform, transmute. All right, Andrew, I want to thank you for hanging out with us this, this Friday morning. Let's see what's going on. We appreciate you hanging out with me and talking to my men and hopefully someone out there can find some solace in some of the stuff that you presented

[00:40:00] and I'll have all his attachments in the show notes and we'll go from there. But thanks again, Andrew. Thank you. Go anywhere, sir.