The Healing Power of Music in Divorce Recovery - Rick DellaRatta || Don’t Pick the Scab Podcast || David M. Webb

[00:00:00] Welcome to the DONT PICK THE SCAB PODCAST with the premise of connecting man over 40

[00:00:21] with the tools and community to thrive in their divorce recovery either before, during

[00:00:26] or after a divorce.

[00:00:29] Welcome everybody out there to DONT PICK THE SCAB PODCAST, episode 32.

[00:00:34] We have Rick Delrata on the mic. He's an orat winning jazz pianist and his superpower

[00:00:40] is healing through music. He has a book paving the path to piece through music which we're

[00:00:47] going to talk about too. He has podcast, jazz for piece podcasts that also associates the power

[00:00:52] of music. He's motivated by each day headlines that makes it more determined in his quest for

[00:00:59] piece through music and this started out of 9-11. It absolutely did. I mean you know you could say

[00:01:07] it started long before that and that other people had laid the foundation etc which is

[00:01:12] worth that are in my poem but it started out as a poem. The poem was basically,

[00:01:18] I love to say written but it basically was just birthed out of me watching the events of 9-11

[00:01:24] less than a quarter mile away from the rooftop of my East Village 5-Flor walk up in New York City

[00:01:33] where I was living at the time and you know I was left with, at the end of that day with nothing

[00:01:38] but a poem and I basically decided to try and live up to those words.

[00:01:43] What is the poem? Can you recite it? Well the poem is called Jazz for Peace and what I

[00:01:51] could, what I sometimes do is I'll include it as in like the music you know I can include it

[00:01:56] with like um you know with improvisation under it or I could recite it to you now even and just

[00:02:03] play a little bit of you know improvisation. I just make it up under the words. Whatever you want

[00:02:08] to do, take this. Okay why don't I just recite it for you now? So basically it kind of goes like this

[00:02:15] I hear Jazz for Peace

[00:02:34] Coming through the trees

[00:02:49] and in my heart it fills me like a celebration.

[00:02:58] I see the light

[00:03:04] and I want to follow

[00:03:27] the last contributions of those that came before

[00:03:39] and lay the groundwork

[00:03:46] to build on in this universal language that is a gift for all mankind.

[00:03:59] And when we speak it

[00:04:14] people are inspired by the creativity and artistry

[00:04:29] that stands for Peace and Love and Humanity

[00:04:54] and intelligence that leads to reaching potential that we have in our souls

[00:05:04] so we can raise our total conscience and see

[00:05:11] that the gift of giving

[00:05:23] is our greatest privilege.

[00:05:30] I hear Jazz

[00:05:32] for Peace

[00:05:39] That was awesome. Man, not to the other part. First ever don't pick this podcast music

[00:05:46] interlude. Yes. Anyway wow that was interesting. Thank you so much.

[00:05:52] Can you share your personal experience or journey that led you to believe in the healing power of

[00:05:57] music, particularly in the context of recovering from the divorce or heartbreak or any devastating

[00:06:03] event in one's life? Well you know I had studied all forms of music so I started out

[00:06:10] making up my own music because I was trying to just figure out the piano all by myself

[00:06:15] which got me into a lot of improvisatory personal kind of you know emotive types of journeys

[00:06:25] and then I was studying classical music which was you know had all of this all of this

[00:06:33] extraordinary depth involved you know coming from all of these great you know

[00:06:39] masters of the past and I was kind of canoing them as I was playing their music. At the same time

[00:06:44] I was playing you know the earth went in fire and the you know the grand funk railroad and the songs

[00:06:49] that are on the radio as I was growing up and going to school you know as we talked off camera

[00:06:54] all the all the concerts you've been to I mean I've played so many of those songs

[00:06:59] so and listen to them and love them just as much as we all do but I started to see that music was

[00:07:06] a lot more than just entertainment value it was a lot more than just selling a product and it was

[00:07:16] a lot more than just an accompaniment to you know your dinner or you know a football game or

[00:07:26] you know what I mean you know whatever it is that you have music on in the background when you're

[00:07:32] you know when you're doing things and that's where it really started to come in as something

[00:07:39] that had healing potential and hearing healing power because it really I just I'm as disturbed

[00:07:47] probably as anyone when it comes to the world of divorce just because I grew up in a legal background

[00:07:55] you know my family my father was a lawyer and had a law office and you know I saw it through a legal

[00:08:03] perspective and it really just looked to me like it was it was a it was a quick stand or a pile of

[00:08:16] mud that you are almost kind of led or encouraged to step in because once you stepped in that mud

[00:08:24] um and you were divided as a couple especially if it was contentious and all that um the court

[00:08:32] system had control of your finances your happiness um basically it was it was a self-serving entity

[00:08:44] it seemed to be an industry where they just whacked up your funds and took whatever else they

[00:08:49] could and left you hanging for dear life you know finding you kind of were on your own to find

[00:08:55] your way forward and to me the only way forward in many many instances that seem impossible

[00:09:05] is spirituality is a is a spiritual um is a um an intellectually stimulating um life that helps

[00:09:19] you transcend that which is not going to help you um you know where you are and where it is

[00:09:28] so you have to transcend it you have to grow through it and music has been you know it's just

[00:09:37] that our capitalism's our capitalistic society uh prefers to use it you know like I said in the

[00:09:44] ways that I described especially just for pure entertainment but um once you get into music as uh

[00:09:51] you know something that has healing powers that has uh transcendent powers and thought provoking

[00:09:58] powers and creative powers um now all of a sudden it could be a conduit for every other part

[00:10:05] of your life to raise your game and that's what you have to do when you are divorced over 40

[00:10:12] you have your best way forward is to raise your personal game game raise your personal game am I right

[00:10:20] yep definitely so you know that's where it's at and that's where the the divorce person or 40 can

[00:10:27] really gain a because their maturity is now working for them and not against them uh the

[00:10:35] maturity that tells them in the back of their mind hey there's something more than this uh

[00:10:40] booby trap that I stumbled into and that is you know basically um gonna you know pick me a part

[00:10:48] limb from limb if I don't grow out of and transcend and again just you know raise that game up

[00:10:58] and that's where music comes in in a lot of ways if you google rick dollar rata famous quote

[00:11:04] you'll see something that i said only a few days after 9-11 um after i'd written the poem uh

[00:11:10] there was i had recited the poem in savanna georgia um i forgot were you told me what's

[00:11:16] it are you in car russ brin's colorado that's right you told me colorado um you know is that near

[00:11:22] um aspen or is that near veil uh there both about three four hours out yeah because i've been to both

[00:11:30] and when you're talking hot springs it reminded me of this giant hot springs i went to once in

[00:11:36] an aspen when i brought jack for peace over there and i skied for four days in those mountains and

[00:11:42] did a concert at the um the old church in aspen and um i went to this amazing hot spring it was all

[00:11:49] just part of the thing but uh anyway um so so anyway i i happen to say just off the top of my head

[00:11:57] like talking like we are i was talking to a reporter who had called me wanted to know about the

[00:12:02] jazz for peace poem that he'd heard about that i recited in savanna georgia and wanted to talk to

[00:12:07] me about the upcoming concert and the 9-11 and all that because this concert uh this concert was

[00:12:14] also less than a month um after 9-11 and i told them i said you know if we were to fill our

[00:12:21] souls up with our greatest qualities you know spirituality intellectuality artistry creativity

[00:12:30] you know all of these greatest qualities we fill our souls up we'll have a better chance

[00:12:35] at avoiding the behavior that leads to destruction and he just had the tape recorder running

[00:12:42] the sentence came out in the article i didn't even know i said it and it got lifted

[00:12:46] and it's on i don't even know how many hundreds of no quotes websites in all languages and all

[00:12:53] nationalities um so that's my famous quote but you know in that quote i do basically say

[00:13:00] if we embrace our greatest qualities and there's up you know a whole bunch of those qualities

[00:13:05] for us to embrace and um we might as well because believe me you take six or seven of our greatest

[00:13:12] qualities as a human being and you embrace those it'll take up your whole day oh yeah i love when

[00:13:18] you said that that people need to grow through things and you know even when it's negative you

[00:13:24] just grow through it and it's tough um so how does music specifically the piano help individuals

[00:13:31] cope with the emotional turmoil and challenges that often accompany divorce process or any type

[00:13:38] of devastating process sure you know i'll tell you um you you meet i meet people all the time who

[00:13:45] will come up to you say boy i wish i played the you know i i wish i could play as it was you but

[00:13:49] i didn't you know does this that in the other basically if you've taken a few piano lessons or

[00:13:54] you study a little piano um you have everything to gain by developing a personal connection with an

[00:14:02] instrument whether it be the piano or whatever instrument you might have studied as a kid

[00:14:06] it's a great idea to get back at the piano and just um find a space between you the universe

[00:14:17] and that instrument you know because that instrument it goes back so far you know i mean people

[00:14:24] sometimes people will ask me to make up an improvisation of channeling Johann Sebastian Bach

[00:14:30] and the first thing i'll tell them is that you know Johann Sebastian Bach never got to play a piano

[00:14:34] you know so the music we hear by him was written for a harpsichord um yeah he never so i mean he

[00:14:41] didn't even get to hear what you have the opportunity to hear obviously so much more advanced than

[00:14:46] what they had back at that time and uh so that's one way is that you yourself anybody can have a

[00:14:53] personal uh kind of a relationship with an instrument and you know it's interesting it gives you

[00:14:58] a kind of a timeout it's a something that becomes personal to you and these little timeouts are

[00:15:06] very important you always want to like just have a timeout from everything and then and then restart

[00:15:11] you know time out and restart and that's what practicing as a piano is it's an opportunity for you to

[00:15:15] just you know play something and then just take a break and go back to your thoughts and then

[00:15:20] play again and you know that kind of thing study learn but listening-wise um you know we are

[00:15:27] bombarded with all those great songs and you know no reason that we shouldn't be there are absolutely

[00:15:33] phenomenal songs but it's only a very small part of what music is and if you get into jazz we were

[00:15:39] talking a little bit off camera um the jazz the world of jazz alone is absolutely mind-blowing

[00:15:47] there's so many artists who contributed to that vast ocean and one leads to another one can

[00:15:57] be a conduit to another my your the divorce man listening to this podcast today I could be a

[00:16:03] conduit for them to say oh man let me go check out correct yeah after hearing this I think I want

[00:16:07] to go check out this Miles Davis or this one of that one you know some of the people that Rick

[00:16:12] that you know the people who played with Rick D'Ollrata the greats that they played with you know before

[00:16:17] they played with me or whatever um and you know it's also I mean if you look at jazz I mean the

[00:16:27] the jazz has been affecting people in profoundly positive ways as has music in general but the

[00:16:33] art form of jazz has a long history of affecting people in profoundly positive ways and um so so the

[00:16:40] listening wise um the you know embracing it in numerous different ways you can also I'll tell you

[00:16:47] if you want to do something really an amazing spiritually uplifting um activity um contact jazz

[00:16:54] for peace and work with us on helping and outstanding cause in your city state or town you will

[00:17:00] meet so many new people over the course of working with us to grow what we grow as an empowerment

[00:17:05] tree and we'll make an outstanding cause um like the one we took in Aspen Colorado and we'll help

[00:17:12] them become more publicized we'll help them become better funded because our power

[00:17:19] and our power is an empowerment tree of funding we'll help them become more sponsored we'll help

[00:17:24] them uh grow their donor base and expand their you know outreach all these kinds of things you know

[00:17:32] new and prestigious supporters and we'll also thank reward and rejuvenate the people they already

[00:17:38] have and you'll be surprised at how many doors it opens and how many people you'll meet that

[00:17:45] you're meeting them on a very high level because we're of the work we're doing so you're meeting

[00:17:50] them on some very high ground to begin with and then you're going to find out wow some of these people

[00:17:55] are very high quality the kind of quality that you might want to surround yourself with when you're

[00:18:01] you know when you're struggling with issues like this because you can get pulled right down into

[00:18:07] the weeds you know what I mean right yep oh definitely man you told my question ahead of me man you're

[00:18:14] like you mean mind so my next question is in your experience are there specific genres compozers

[00:18:20] or pieces of music that seem to resonate more deeply within the visuals recovering from the

[00:18:25] boroughs or emotional trauma so he said jazz is one of the big ones uh can you give us any composers

[00:18:31] or any artists you know I'll be honest with you um you might find uh solace in lyrics you know

[00:18:41] lyrics even you know some country music I mean all those country songs you know all those all

[00:18:46] those old time or guys they were all writing about their broken hearts and all that kind of stuff so

[00:18:51] there is lyrics in a lot of different styles of music that can be you know awe inspiring but you

[00:18:57] know with with with jazz you get to hear a language that's spoken all over the world it is a universal

[00:19:05] language people ask me how many languages do you speak I say two and they say what I say english and

[00:19:09] jazz and they laugh but you know I can go to some place like Nigeria and I can meet someone and if

[00:19:17] he plays jazz all of a sudden we're talking a language that we could never achieve with his broken

[00:19:23] english and my broken you know Nigerian dialect um so uh you know you you have you you have all

[00:19:33] just so much so much going on in that and so much for you to explore and you get involved with

[00:19:39] people that are I mean if you want to get into someone who was really out of spiritual journey not

[00:19:43] that others weren't but you know one that quickly comes to mind would be John Coltrane um

[00:19:48] I ran into some of his records when I was in high school by accident I opened a drawer in the library

[00:19:55] just being a curious George I'm like what are all these records who are these people where do they

[00:20:01] come from and as a budding musician I had to find out and um man I mean some of these jazz artists

[00:20:10] really were on a as spiritual trajectory as let's say a Martin Luther King can you share any specific

[00:20:20] techniques exercises or approaches you employ when using music as a healing modality for those

[00:20:26] recovering from divorce or heartbreak you know we kind of talked about that too can you go a little

[00:20:30] deeper sure so you know when when you're recovering from that it's um it's kind of overwhelming

[00:20:41] and sometimes you don't even like see a way out you know and what I like to tell people to do is

[00:20:49] look at some of the people that you probably admire and you'll find out that oh my god

[00:20:56] their journey was every bit as remarkable as the buying that you're in and the situation you're

[00:21:02] in um if not more so you know um you'll see people that you've already outlived and who accomplished

[00:21:09] an extraordinary amount of time in there are 36 years or whatever you know um a lot a lot of

[00:21:14] these great people died in their 30s especially in jazz and you know uh and in other forms but

[00:21:20] you'll also see a you'll also see a pathway from those people to let's say a Gandhi or you know

[00:21:29] like I said a Martin Luther King or you know just some of these other uh spiritual greats and

[00:21:37] and you start to see almost like a six degrees of separation you know you start to see how there is

[00:21:42] a a connection and now you're often involved in something that's really taking your mind off of

[00:21:50] this you know crazy mess that doesn't seem reconcilable and um you've done two things when you've

[00:22:00] looked deeply into an art form of music or just gone along on its journey you've done two things

[00:22:07] you have expended time and progress so the progress from you being stimulated your intellect being

[00:22:16] stimulated you're being stimulated in an emotional level a mental level uh you know you're being

[00:22:21] stimulated in so many different ways at the same time time is going by that's accompanied with

[00:22:28] progress because you know sometimes if you have time and you have no progress um you find yourself

[00:22:33] right back where you were but when you have progress that you can get from the art form of jazz that

[00:22:39] is just so mind-bogglingly extensive you know and bring it into your journey don't I mean don't

[00:22:47] leave the music that you grew up within that you like you know but include this all together

[00:22:52] and go along for the ride if you were to go that next step like I said it actually be involved in

[00:22:58] using the art form of jazz to heal our world boy will that take your mind off of that crazy woman

[00:23:11] and this is a deeper question how or how do you see this happen how can music complement or

[00:23:17] enhance other forms of therapy or support systems for individuals recovering from divorce

[00:23:22] such as counseling support groups or self-care practices what actual things have you seen or heard

[00:23:30] that music is done well um you know it again what it does have this profoundly positive effect

[00:23:38] and historically on people and when you use music in a healing way for example like like I mentioned

[00:23:47] if you were to get involved like let's say with jazz for pieces just helping out standing cause

[00:23:50] I mean the journey of jazz for piece is mind-boggling because all I really wanted to do was live

[00:23:58] up to the words of that poem that I recited to you if nothing more than just a couple of days you know

[00:24:04] let me go a third day let me go a fourth day let me go a fifth day well the next thing you know

[00:24:08] I'm reciting that poem to over 8500 people at uh you know at a jazz festival that I was

[00:24:14] fortunate to be the headliner at I'm putting it to music and you know playing it at the first

[00:24:20] jazz for piece what became the first jazz for piece concert you know then I'm you know doing

[00:24:25] a few little jazz for piece concerts around town in New York City uh just to be an extension just to

[00:24:31] keep the street going you know just to keep the street going of living up and the next thing you

[00:24:36] know I'm bringing Israeli Palestinian and American jazz musicians together at the United

[00:24:44] Nations and a concert that took years to resonate um and you know it's a battle that I'm getting

[00:24:54] I you you made a quote that was from cadence magazine and that was that the the mission of you

[00:24:59] know jazz musician Richter out of keeps becoming more and more pertinent with each day's newspaper

[00:25:03] headlines I mean that's because I lost the battle if I had won the battle which I would have

[00:25:09] gladly traded for um we would have addressed that Israeli Palestinian situation when I brought

[00:25:15] Israelis Palestinians and Americans together in 2002 we would have you know the the world could

[00:25:20] have worked with us and grown on that little molecule you know what I mean um that little uh

[00:25:28] you know that that little that's a motif right I mean you that's a motif what I did at the

[00:25:33] at the United Nations I kind of went da da da da and brought Israeli you know and now you could

[00:25:38] grow on that and keep building on it and who the hell knows what would happen but here we are today

[00:25:44] and jazz rupees after over 850 concerts to help the world's most outstanding um organizations

[00:25:51] all around the world including nine trips to Africa alone uh has solutions we actually have solutions

[00:25:59] we don't have people knocking on our door saying hey tell me that solution and we're going to do it

[00:26:03] but we if you know we do have solutions that are shocking me when I test them out into the marketplace

[00:26:10] and find that people ask a few questions and then they say no no no you you're onto it you actually

[00:26:16] I don't have anymore questions I support this this this thing you came up with I support so this

[00:26:20] is where it can lead in other words it can lead way way out of that hole that you're in that we've

[00:26:28] all been in you know what I mean everyone's been in one if it wasn't a divorce it could have been

[00:26:33] a relationship it could have been a girlfriend that broke your heart it could have been you know

[00:26:36] a situation that you went through you know at any point in time I mean they're just prevalent um so

[00:26:42] your the divorce men need to feel like either not alone but as they're going to those groups you

[00:26:49] know then if they get into the arts and they get into culture and they get into jazz

[00:26:54] they can add all of those people to their support group because all of those people went through immense

[00:26:59] struggles Noah with that arc you know what I mean look at what he went through uh you know what

[00:27:05] you're comparing your divorce to him and all of a sudden it doesn't look so superhuman

[00:27:12] that's pretty good I like Noah let's bounce around a little bit in the negative space which I

[00:27:19] don't do very often are there any misconceptions or barriers that prevent people from

[00:27:24] filling embracing the healing power of music and how can they be addressed especially for those

[00:27:30] over men over 40 because you know men men over 40 don't men in general don't seek out counseling

[00:27:38] various suspicious of anything you know there might be suspicious of the healing power of music so

[00:27:44] what do you speak to that you know one thing one thing a lot of them are doing is walking around with

[00:27:49] PTSD I don't know I'm just sensing this it might is that is that you think that's true yeah so you

[00:27:55] know you're walking around with PTSD you feel like you almost you feel like you almost came out of

[00:27:59] Vietnam or something you know and you're wearing suspicious because you've been backstabbed by

[00:28:05] you know this horror you know you've had the person your closest to uh you know turn against you

[00:28:11] in the worst possible way or a situation where you know um the person that you're supposed to be

[00:28:17] wishing the best for and they're supposed to be wishing the best of you are actually the in opposite

[00:28:21] circle you know doing the opposite and so um you don't know where to turn you don't know who to trust

[00:28:28] and you know what if you take uh you know John Coltrane softly has an morning sunrise

[00:28:34] live at the village got village band guard there's nobody gonna backstab you or you know what I mean

[00:28:40] like you you're not walking into a booby trap you're just you know embracing some music and and

[00:28:46] you're thinking about it differently each time you grow as a listener so that's why listening

[00:28:51] let's say challenging music you know let's think to music the challenges you is gonna your

[00:28:56] perspective is gonna change and alter and your appreciation is gonna grow and now you're in something

[00:29:03] that's moving because a lot of times your divorce is not moving you know they're extracting from you

[00:29:10] judges extracting uh you know time and emotion and finances and lawyers and you know people are

[00:29:17] extracting things from you but you're not but it's but you're not moving it's almost like you're

[00:29:22] you're a stationary almost like you're a parked car uh with surrounded by a bunch of parking you

[00:29:29] know by by a bunch of people give parking tickets yeah so you gotta be moving and this

[00:29:36] this will get you moving all of a sudden now you're moving and then like I said in this world

[00:29:42] when you meet people you're either meeting a jerk at his best which is still not a bad thing right

[00:29:48] way better than meeting him at his worst or you're meeting somebody who has got some game that you

[00:29:56] could learn a bit from and now you can look look at that guy and say man this guy he knows about

[00:30:02] he knows about music he knows about philosophy what you know all of a sudden you're learning from

[00:30:07] that guy oh and and he's happy to teach you and guess what he's happy to give you a hand

[00:30:13] and pull you out of that hole it actually makes him feel rich and that's one of the reasons I walk

[00:30:18] around kind of feeling rich inside is because of all these letters I got from people that said no

[00:30:24] that what you really did really did help us whether you want to you know no matter what you think

[00:30:30] you helped us well go ahead and roll this up so because I try to have already anyway that's

[00:30:36] I got so many other questions so we got to the part two when these days I'm not even close to

[00:30:41] that's all my questions oh wow you've got John Smith at the United Nations he's hanging out

[00:30:48] he has his air phones on he's getting all the languages and you have John Smith ear

[00:30:55] and you have a chance and he John Smith represents all the divorce recovery man out there in the

[00:31:00] whole world and you have his ear what are the three things you want to tell John Smith about his

[00:31:06] recovery the three main things you have is here okay um one thing I would like to the three

[00:31:15] main things I would like to say is number one empowerment um you have a chance and by the way

[00:31:23] stoic philosophy um I know if you're familiar with that philosophy but that philosophy covers a lot

[00:31:28] of the things that we talked about that's another great thing to kind of stick your head into

[00:31:33] when you're when you're feeling you know when you're going through something as emotional as that

[00:31:37] but empowerment and when I say empowerment you have the ability so this is almost there's a

[00:31:44] stoic philosophy that rhymes with this I forgot what the words are but it's kind of basically like

[00:31:50] okay you're surrounded by things of which you cannot change and those things are

[00:31:56] bringing a lot of emotion out of you the very first thing you want to do is take all those things

[00:32:03] that look like you cannot change them they are surrounding you and you can't change them

[00:32:08] and then toss them out the window as far as giving up your uh your you know um vital

[00:32:19] okay so so that's number one you want to get throw those out the window those are things

[00:32:24] no matter how you feel about them there's nothing you can do they're going to things are going

[00:32:29] to happen you have no say in them you want to throw those out give no don't give the time of day

[00:32:34] in terms of your energy to that stuff okay yeah as it goes and then look at what what can I do

[00:32:42] what can I do and that's where you can get into the first thing which is empowerment you want to

[00:32:48] embrace what you have control over well you know what I have control I can go to the I can go

[00:32:55] to the gym and swim a mile and I won't even know I'll be so out of my divorced head during this

[00:33:01] swim and I'm going to feel so much better and nobody can stop me you know are just any kind of

[00:33:06] activity like that you know um and and you can do it so what do you have the power to do and

[00:33:12] start embracing that that's going to empower you okay the second thing which brings in music

[00:33:17] is enlightenment okay enlightenment you want to get involved in the arts and culture jazz is great

[00:33:25] because it's um you like I said it has all those qualities creativity artistry

[00:33:30] intellectuality individuality um all these things that you can you know hear in in that music

[00:33:37] and get involved in that which enlightens you you know uh one it could you know it's your

[00:33:44] surrounded by it and you don't even know it you don't even know it it's all around you once you get

[00:33:50] in that pool swimming in that stream once you're in that stream all of a sudden you're on that

[00:33:55] journey and then the third thing I would give them is um action okay the actual action what

[00:34:05] actions can you take um that are going to enhance the accompaniment of a journey that you can't

[00:34:16] you can't not be a part of because the divorce is something you can't uns you can't unring the bell

[00:34:21] you know what I mean it's something you're in uh your your best intentions got you where you are

[00:34:27] and you know you're in something that has a lot of heartbreak it has a lot of um you know

[00:34:31] it has all those elements that could pull you down but you're gonna take action and you're

[00:34:38] gonna uh do activities which pull you up and you know just the one I said getting it if it's not

[00:34:46] getting involved with jazz for peace which you're welcome to do we'd love to have someone call

[00:34:49] and say hey I I heard this show and I'm uh you know I'm I'm a recovering you know recovering from

[00:34:55] divorce etc how can I get involved but action of all different types again that are out there they're

[00:35:02] just not kind of come out of your TV set they're just not gonna be broadcast to you you have to be

[00:35:08] willing to you know take that journey to find them but these are actions and activities

[00:35:14] that are going to again accompany the first two things which I said which is empowerment and

[00:35:19] enlightenment so you can take action that is in accompaniment with those two words and those

[00:35:26] things you do it could be I mean for me skiing you know I love skiing for me of course music you know

[00:35:32] and the playing of music or the listening of music and just these kinds of thing and then

[00:35:36] even the activities related to that you know again activities that are related to that hobby

[00:35:44] are that spiritual um you know the spiritual thing that you're on well Rick we want to

[00:35:50] appreciate you knocking out of the park man I wish I had a bat and a bald make a sound but you have

[00:35:56] knocked it out of the damn park like I said you know we're gonna have you come back because only got

[00:36:01] through like a third of my questions oh wow no let's do it let's definitely get all those questions

[00:36:06] out I love the questions you gave me I just want to answer them thoroughly

[00:36:11] oh you did and I and I have no problem with that why don't you let the people out there know where

[00:36:18] to find you and I'll have all your contacts at the bottom of the show notes go ahead and tell me

[00:36:23] where you are so basically you could the best one great way to reach us is that our email address

[00:36:28] which is at info at jazzforpiece.org so that's i n f o at jazz for piece jaz z f o r p e a c e dot

[00:36:38] r g now for me personally of course there's Rick Delorado which I think you'll you'll see my spelling

[00:36:44] on you know you'll see it when you watch uh when you check out the podcast rickdelorado.com if you

[00:36:49] want just me uh and then if you want jazz for piece jaz for piece dot org and then we have an

[00:36:54] extensive site because we're 22 years long now with so many stories you just wouldn't believe it

[00:37:00] and that's uh w-w-w dot jazz for piece dot wordpress dot com and of course I don't want to uh you

[00:37:09] know I I don't want to uh make this announcement without including the new book so you can get

[00:37:13] into the book it's coming out any day now on amazon the author was just uh uh proofing that

[00:37:19] actually had a had a copy of the book and was just proofing and making some final corrections

[00:37:23] and that should be out in the next couple weeks probably it'll be out before this podcast is out

[00:37:28] I don't know when this is being released but um i'll be up in a week man i'm quick

[00:37:32] that should probably be perfect it'll probably be right around the time that that this is coming out

[00:37:36] and um uh I know uh you can get that you know it you can basically probably google that um

[00:37:44] it's called paving a path for piece through music rickdelorado paving a path for piece through music

[00:37:50] and you know i'm at the regular places amazon etc we'll all have it all right well rickleron thank

[00:37:57] you for taking your time out tonight and uh we'll definitely gonna come back again but

[00:38:03] we appreciate you taking your time out in the planet panel for us and and really specifically

[00:38:08] hitting those those those notes no pun intended those notes about my man over 40 go through

[00:38:15] the forest i really appreciate it and they do too so we're gonna sign off and we'll say good night

[00:38:21] to rick and we haven't come back take care thank you so great all right bye bye